Monday, July 6, 2009

In response...

First of all, I would like to thank Karitas & Big Jim for your constructive comments. I understand that everyone has their own busy schedules & really appreciate the fact that you took the time to comment.

[Karitas said...
Your converting skills are far from mediocre :)]

Aww shucks!

[but wow, You were'nt kidding about the shiny! are they varnished with high gloss?]

The pics make them look far shinier than they are seen in real life. No varnish, the paints I use come with a gloss finish.

[As far as your paint goes, You're staying in the lines, which is 80% of getting these guys to look good :) The "dip" I've experimented with in the past ironically works best without being dipped, but painted on, moreover "dip" works best on detailed, contoured models, where there are many places for the liquid to settle. I always found it Ironic that marines are so damn hard to paint being so flat and all, when they are the main draw to the hobby.]

So true & I agree. I don't actually 'dip' my models; like what you have said, I found that by painting the dip (i.e. Smoke Grey) onto the models, I get to control how concentrated the dip is & where I want it to go.

[Add to that, youve chosen two of the most difficult colours to hcieve good results with, especially with citadel paints, Black and Red.]

Which is lucky for me because I'm not actually using citadel paints. :)

[hell why not complete the challenge give em yellow eyes and some white bits too :)]

The original choice of eyelense colour was indeed yellow (you can see it in my earliest painted models). But being extremely lazy, I got miffed at having to spend alot of time painting several coats of yellow in a place where multiple touch-ups & re-touch-ups were required. I recently opted to using Metallic Green to save time (2 coats later boom & it's good) & get smoother coverage.

[what colour primer do you use?]

This is where I break more conventions. I don't prime. I did an experiment very early on to distinguish the effect of primer & found that after painting 2 coats of Russet on a non-primed & a black-primed model (both had been washed clean prior to painting), there was no visible difference between the two models after the paint had dried. Again, being the lazybones that I am, I cut out having to prime models & jump straight into painting.

[If you wanted some ideas for new techniques to try I'm more than happy to tell you what I do, either publicly or privately, and if I had one tip for you right now looking at your guys I'd suggest using slightly thinned paint to try and preserve as much detail of your models as possible, it might take an extra coat or two but the control you gain from not having that thick
goop on an overloaded brush will change your mind in 1 model :)]

Karitas, your generous offer is much appreciated :)

[one last thing for now :) please base, it takes 2 minutes with gravel from the street and pva glue, a quick drybrush and viola. It can really lift a figure and make it look "finished" and I personally think that models made for display have even more reason to be based than gaming models :)]

[I think these paintjob show that you take the time and care over each model to get good results, and thats you all need to get great results, the rest is technique, which can be learned.]

You make several good points.

[I'm going now, I get annoyed wqith myself when I start sounding like a teacher when I'm not at work, I'm sure others find it irritating too :)]

As long as you don't give me any detention, I don't mind it at all, Teach. :)

[nice work man, keep "sloppin'" :)]

Thank you for the encouraging words, Karitas. I have a long sloppin-session planned for tomorrow. :D


[Big Jim said...
I agree with karitas, your conversion skills are very good,]

Awww shucky shucks!

[and basing can be really simple to do. (I'll keep applying Peer Pressure, until you relent!) ;)]

I'm beginning to feel the peer pressure working... :)

[You miniatures would really benifit from a contrasting color, it would to help make them "pop". With the red and black main colors silver or gold would work nicely. You could just use the contrasting color on the chaos icons and/or trim.]

I will do that.

[If you want or need any painting advice feel free to shoot me an email through my blog.]

Thank you also for the encouragement & pointers, Jim. I really appreciate it.

I do owe both of you certain debt of gratitude also. It was only after seeing for myself the incredible progress that were made with your respective armies that served as sources of inspiration & motivation for me to try to paint as many of my own models as I possibly can before my next semester begins.

Youse guys are da bomb yo. :)


  1. Aww shucks :)

    I'm intrigued by the paints you use, and also by the notion of not priming :)

    I suppose one aspect of priming is paint adhesion, and as you don't game there is much less handling so you shouldnt see "rub-off" much. however I use a primer also becuase if I miss any GS lubricant I literally can't get paint to stick, it acts as though the darn model has been waxed, so i prime.

    I also for characters use a very light wash based paint technique, this is impossible on raw plastic, and hard on black, grey or white primer is about the best way.

    Lastly, I'd like to say that It's nice to know that comments are recieved in the spirit they are given, and one of the main reasons I'm now blogging here rather than frequenting certain forums. I'm also really very pleased to have been some small part in encouraging another who shares my hobby to complete some work, and hopefully enjoy the experience, so many thanks for this post.

    It made me smile.

  2. No problem mate, thanks for the great post! All I want to do is help you out in any way I can.

    I too appreciate all of the support you give to my Blog too.

    Keep on Bloggin' and I'll keep supporting!

    Thanks again,
    Big Jim

  3. Da bombs have spoken. :D

    Karitas, here's the really interesting bit; in 10 years I've been using these paints, no matter how I've handled them (on my Gundams or Space Marines), they have never rubbed off. But having GS work on your model is a different story altogether & in addition to the light wash base paint technique, I understand the need for priming. :) Character models definitely deserve more technically-intricate paintjobs. It has been a real privilege to have seen your DH army from conception to completion.

    Big Jim, big pointers, big on generosity. :) You keep on blogging & I'll keep on supporting too. Soul Reapers for the win! Yeah!

    Many many thanks for both your support.